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Sixth-grade students at Our Lady of the Sacred Heart School recently "took a trip" back in time to study medieval history. Students transformed their classroom to fit the period by painting a wall mural of a castle and moat and displaying coats of arms. The students dressed as kings and queens, lords and ladies and jesters, and organized and participated in a traditional medieval feast. ...
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Descent of the Royal House of Serbia and Yugoslavia from the medieval royal and imperial house of Nemanich of Medival Ladies Serbia is a genealogy presenting some medieval roots for the current monarchical pretension of Alexander, Crown Prince of Medeival Ladies Yugoslavia.

Contents

  • 1 Descent Medeval Ladies from the Nemanjic
    • 1.1 Pedigree from the Nemanjic
    • 1.2 Parallel Mediveal Ladies lines
  • 2 Alexandra Medieal Ladies of Greece descends from the Nemanjic
  • 3 Descent of the three Karageorgevich sons from Milica Meideval Ladies Nemanjic and the Brankovici and Lazarevici
    • 3.1 Slavonian line
    • 3.2 Italian line
  • 4 Other ancestries
    • 4.1 Agnatic pedigree
  • 5 External links

Descent from the Nemanjic

The medieval royal and imperial house of Nemanyids was possibly the mightiest and best-sustained monarchical dynasty of Serbia ever, others having lost their positions usually in much less than a century. As usual in Balkans, it lost its might and ceased gradually to rule after some two centuries, and died out in male line. They left descendants, married in feudal Balkan families and foreign monarchical families, through whom the descent continues to our days. The archives in Balkan have been subject to extraordinarily grave disturbances, diasters and destruction, as were persons themselves who were known to be children and issue of earlier monarchs; wherefore most or all later descendants in Balkan have been lost to mists of history (although highly probably such people yet exist and probably in high numbers, Nemanjids having existed in 12th-14th centuries; compare with some general likelihood knowledge on royal descent). Western countries however have succeeded in preserving much better archival material, so genealogies through such areas are more easily traceable.

The so-called Royal House of Serbia and Yugoslavia today is one of the descendants of such medieval ladies then married to outside of the soon-to-be-destroyed Serbian kingdom. This is chiefly due to king Peter II and crown prince Alexander descending maternally from, respectively, Maria of Romania and Alexandra of Greece.

Of course a historically verified precise genealogy can be presented of these descents. And Crown Prince Alexander has had such researched and now keeps some results published in the website of his royal house.

Pedigree from the Nemanjic

Somewhat uncertain part is the early ancestry within the House of Vojislavljević, rulers of Zahumlje:

Stefan Dobroslav I Vojislav was the son of the uncle of Duklja's ruler Saint Jovan Vladimir of Serbia and Travunia, and a maternal grandson of Ljutomir, the last Prince of Rascia.

Mihajlo (Michael), Grand Župan of Zeta/Duklja

Petrislav, vassal grand prince of Serbia

Marko, prince of Raška; and his brother Grand Župan Vukan of Rascia

Vukan's nephew: Uroš I of Rascia

Zavida, Prince of Zahumlje
Nemanja, took name Stefan
Genealogical line, from generation to generation:
Zavida, Serbian Zhupan, a son of that earlier dynasty

1) Stephen Nemanja (Saint Simeon), Grand Zhupan of Rascia from 1166, m Ana (Saint Anastasia)

2) Stephen, the first crowned, Grand Zhupan of Rascia, 1217 King of Serbia, m Ana Dandolo, granddaughter of doge of Venice

3) Stephen Urosh I m Helen, reportedly from Naples (possibly Anjou)

4) Stephen Dragutin (St.Theoctist) m Catherine of Hungary, daughter of Stephen IV of Hungary and Elisabeth of Kuni, herself daughter of the khan of Cuman tribe

5) Elisabeth of Serbia m Stephen I Kotromanic, ban of Bosnia

6) Stephen II Kotromanic of Bosnia m Elisabeth of Kujavia of the House of Piast of Poland

7) Catherine of Bosnia, Kotromanic m Herman I, Count of Celje

8) Herman II, Count of Celje m Elisabeth/ Anna of Saunberga

9) Barbara of Celje m Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor, king of Bohemia and Hungary etc.

10) Queen Elisabeth II of Bohemia, queen of Hungary and of the Romans m Albert of Austria

11) Elisabeth of Austria m Casimir IV of Poland and Lithuania-Ruthenia

12) Anna of Poland, Duchess of Pomerania m Bogislaus X, Duke of Pomerania

13) Sophia of Pomerania m Frederick I of Denmark and Norway

14) Adolphus of Denmark, Duke of Holsatia

15) Sophia of Holsatia m Prince of the Obotrites John, Duke of Mecklenburg

16) Adolphus Frederick I, Duke of Mecklenburg

17) Adolphus Frederick II, Duke of Mecklenburg

18) Charles I, Duke of Mecklenburg

19) Charles II, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg

20) Louise of Mecklenburg

21) Alexandra Fedorovna of Prussia m Tsar Nicholas Pavlovich of Russia

22) Emperor Alexander II of Russia m Maria Alexeievna

23) Maria Alexandrovna of Russia m Duke Alfred of Edinburgh

24) Marie of Edinburgh, Queen of Romania

25) Maria of Romania, Queen of Yugoslavia m King Alexander of Yugoslavia

26) King Peter II of Yugoslavia m Alexandra of Greece

27) Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia m Maria da Gloria of Orleans-Braganza

28) Princes Peter, Philip and Alexander of Yugoslavia

Parallel lines

The genealogical descent presented above is not the only one that connects the medieval Nemanjic dynasty and the 20th-century Karageorgevich. Particularly between 10 and 24 there are other, parallel lines which connect these aforementioned two ladies, as an ancestress and her descendantess.

One of the genealogies published by the current royal claimant of Serbia contains the inherent problem of Maria of Romania, the penultimate queen of Yugoslavia, not being a biological daughter of her putative father Ferdinand I of Romania. Maria's mother, Marie of Edinburgh, has reportedly confessed of having that child sired by her cousin, Grand Duke Boris Vladimirovich of Russia, who therefore is more likely to be an ancestor of Alexander and his family than king Ferdinand. This means that in any genealogy, any pedigree through Ferdinand is suspect and cannot be relied upon, as the genetical descent does thus not probably exist through that spot. However, of course queen Maria of Yugoslavia was the daughter, biological and genetical heir, of her mother Marie of Edinburgh, whose all ancestors thus are ancestors of Alexander and his family. In the pedigree above, the descent is through Marie of Edinburgh, thus the descent is that, totally irrespective of who was Maria's biological father.

Alexandra of Greece descends from the Nemanjic

Crown Prince Alexander has additional drops of medieval Serbian Nemanjic and Bosnian Kotromanic blood through ancestry of his Greek mother. The source is basically the same, marriage of Jelisaveta Nemanjic of Serbia to Bosnia's Stjepan Kotromanic I, and the Slovenian Barbara of Celje bringing her ancestry to the imperial and royal lines holding Bohemia etc. There are several parallel lines, particularly between generations 28 and 10, of which one is accounted below:

30. crown prince Alexander

29. Alexandra of Greece, mother of 30, wife of Peter II of Yugoslavia

28. Alexander I of Greece, father of 29, m Aspasia Manos of an old Greek family

27. Constantine I of Greece, father of 28.

26. George I of Greece, father of 27, m Olga Konstantinovna of Russia

25. Louise of Hessia, mother of 26, m Christian IX of Denmark

24. William of Hessia, father of 25.

23. Caroline of Nassau, mother of 24, m Frederick of Hessia

22. Charles of Nassau, the younger, father of 23.

21. Charles of Nassau, the elder, father of 22.

20. Charlotte Amalie of Nassau, mother of 21, m William Henry of Nassau

19. Dorotea Jelisaveta of Silesia, mother of 20, m Henry of Nassau

18. Jerzy, Duke of Brzeg in Silesia, father of 19.

17. John, Duke of Legnica in Silesia, father of 18.

16. Anna Maria of Zerbst (of the House of Ascania), mother of 17, m Joachim Fryderyk, Duke of Legnica in Silesia

15. Joachim of Zerbst (Ascania), father of 16.

14. Margaret of Brandenburg, mother of 15, m John of Zerbst (Ascania)

13. Joachim Nestor, Elector of Brandenburg, father of 14.

12. Malgorzata of Thuringia, mother of 13, m John Cicero of Brandenburg

11. Anna, Duchess of Luxembourg, mother of 12, m William, Landgrave of Thuringia

10. Elisabeth II of Bohemia (as above), mother of 11.

9. Barbara of Celje (as above)), mother of 10.

8. Herman II, Count of Celje (as above), father of 9.

7. Jekaterina of Bosnia (as above), mother of 8.

6. Stjepan Kotromanic II of Bosnia (as above), father of 7.

5. Jelisaveta of Serbia (as above), mother of 6.

4. Stepan Dragutin of Serbia (as above), father of 5.

3. Stepan Urosh I of Serbia (as above), father of 4.

2. Stepan Prvovencani of Serbia (as above), father of number 3.

1. Stepan Nemanja of Serbia (as above), father of nimber 2, son of Zavida the Zupan


Descent of the three Karageorgevich sons from Milica Nemanjic and the Brankovici and Lazarevici

While there are no proven genealogies (except those going through Ferdinand I of Romania who was not necessarily the biological great-grandfather) to show crown prince Alexander himself to descend from these, there are proven and historically verifiable genealogical lines through which his sons, princes Petar Aleksandrovic, Filip Aleksandrovic and Aleksandar Aleksandrovic, being sons of Princess Maria da Gloria of Orleans-Braganza, a Montferrat and Kohary descendant, thus descend directly from the House of Brankovic which ruled Rascia and Syrmia, through it from the ruler Lazar of Serbia and Milica Nemanjic, one of the daughters of sidelines of the House of Nemanjic. (the generatiional numbering below is intended to preserve approximately the contemporaneity with the lists above:)

7) Stepan Lazar of Serbia, Zhupan of Rudnik, (son of Pribac Hrebeljanovic, a minor noble), canonized, m Milica of Nemanja (daughter of knez Vratka Nemanjic, grandson or great-grandson of Vukan Stepanovic Nemanja, Zhupan of Zeta)

8) Milica's and Lazar's eldest daughter: Mara Lazarevic m Vuk Brankovic, Prince of Raska-Kosovo (son of sebastokrator Branko Mladenovic, Lord of Pristina)

9) George, Prince of Rascia, known also as Djuradj Brankovic, m Eirene Kantakouzene, daughter of Despot of Peloponnese

10) Stepan Brankovic, Prince of Rascia, a blind, canonized, m Angeljina Komneni Arianiti, from that Albanian feudal family

Slavonian line

11) Jovan Brankovic, Prince of Syrmia

12) Marija Brankovic m Ferdinand Frankopan, ban of Croatia

13) Katarina Frankopan m Nikola Subic Zrinski, ban of Croatia

14) Barbara Subic Zrinski m Elek Thurzo de Bethlenfalva

15) Maria Felizitas de Thurzo-Bethlenfalva m Johann Jakob von Rottal

16) Johann Anton von Rottal

17) Eleonore von Rottal m Ferdinand Ernst Valdstejna z Vartemberka, a Bohemian magnate

18) Ernst Josef Valdstejna z Vartemberka

19) Frantisek Josef Valdstejna z Vartemberka

20) Josef Valdstejna z Vartemberka

21) Jiri Kristian Valdstejna z Vartemberka

22) Maria Antonia Valdstejna z Vartemberka m Josef, Prince of Kohary, a magnate of Slovakian origin, himself a descendant of Jekaterina Frankopan the aforementioned and Nikola Subic, through their elder daughter Jekaterina Subic

23) Maria Antonia of Kohary m Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

24) Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Kohary m Louis of Orleans, Duke of Nemours

25) Gaston of Orleans, comte d'Eu m Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil

26) Pedro of Orleans-Braganza, Prince of Grao Para m countess Elisabeth Dobrzensky of Dobrzenicz, a lady from Dobrenice, Bohemia

27) Pedro Gastao of Orleans-Braganza m Maria Esperanza of Bourbon-Sicily

28) Maria da Gloria of Orleans-Braganza m Alexander Karageorgevich III

29) Peter, Philip and Alexander of Yugoslavia

Italian line

11) Maria of Rascia m Bonifatios Palaiologos, Lord of Montferrat, male-line great-great-great-grandson of Emperor Andronikos II, himself with some Southern Slavic ancestry

12) Lazar William Palaiologos of Montferrat, m Anne of Alencon, descendant of Kuthen of Kuni, khan of Cumans

13) Margarita Palaiologina, heiress of Montferrat m Frederick II, Duke of Mantua

14) Louis I, Duke of Nevers m Henriette, heiress of Nevers and Rethel, descendant of Kuthen of Kuni, khan of the Cuman tribe

15) Charles I, Duke of Mantua m Catherine of Lorraine-Mayenne, heiress of Laskaris counts of Tenda, themselves with some Southern Slavic ancestry

16) Charles II Gonzaga, consort of Montferrat m Maria, Duchess of Montferrat, great-granddaughter of Margarita Palaiologina the aforementioned

17) Eleanor of Mantua m Emperor Ferdinand III, king of Hungary and overlord of Croats and some Southern Slavs

18) Eleanor Maria of Austria, Queen of Poland m Charles V, Duke of Lorraine, himself a descendant of Margarita Palaiologina the aforementioned

19) Leopold, Duke of Lorraine and Duke of Teschen m Elisabeth of Orleans

20) Emperor Francis I m Maria Theresa of Hungary

21) Maria Carolina of Austria m Ferdinand I of Two Sicilies, himself a descendant of Louis I of Nevers aforementioned

22) Francis I of the Two Sicilies m Maria Isabella of Spain, herself a descendant of Louis I of Nevers

23) Maria Christina of Sicily m Ferdinand VII of Spain, himself a descendant of Louis I of Nevers

24) Luisa Fernanda of Spain m Antoine of Orleans, Duke of Montpensier, himself a descendant of Emperor Francis I the aforementioned, and several others above

25) Marie Isabelle of Orleans m Louis-Philippe of Orleans, Count of Paris, himself a descendant of Emperor Francis I and several others above

26) Louise of Orleans m Infante Carlos of Sicily, himself a descendant of Francis I of the Two Sicilies, and several others above

27) Maria Esperanza of Bourbon m Pedro Gastao of Orleans-Braganza, himself a descendant of Francis I of the Two Sicilies, and several others above

28) Maria da Gloria of Orleans-Braganza m Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia

29) Peter, Philip and Alexander, Princes of Yugoslavia

Other ancestries

Agnatic pedigree

The kings of Yugoslavia rose to their kingship, not because of any medieval roots (that anyway were acquired only by having Maria of Romania as Peter II's mother), but by succession within the House of Karageorgevich, the dynasty originating from George the Black, a successful nationalist rebel leader in early 19th century.

1) Karađorđe (George Petrović), independence fighter m Jelena Jovanovic

2) Alexander, reigning prince of Serbia m Persida Nenadovic

3) Peter I, king of Serbia, then of union of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (Yugoslavia) m Ljubica = Zorka of Montenegro

4) King Alexander of Yugoslavia m Maria of Romania

5) King Peter II of Yugoslavia m Alexandra of Greece

6) Alexander Karađorđević, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia m Maria da Gloria of Orleans-Braganza

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